2 hour commute twice a week

Everyone highway has traffic other cars being on the road doesnt mean everyone has to drive slowly. Accidents certainly add to it, but theres honestly so much traffic that their effect is marginal unless the accident is blocking the only transit artery for that area (areas bit farther out from central LA). Im 54 and not exactly tough-looking, but I used public transit regularly while living in downtown LA for seven years before moving out of the area last fall. You already know its unsustainable for you, OP, and Im glad youve noticed that. I know! Mine is 35-45 minutes by public transport, and thats about my limit. I hear you. Pretty manageable. But I assume I have fewer choices than you do I have kids, I have a job I wont leave, I have limited money and live in a crazy expensive area. The #1 subreddit for Brits and non-Brits to ask questions about life and culture in the United Kingdom. There is some swearing, if you worry about that thing. Wow, 150+ comments and no one suggests using the Waze app? Would kill me. 30 miles of doom and gloom of 90 to Aurora, no good. I live in The New Forest and work in London which is a 2 hour drive and I sometimes do it twice a week. The other thing that's crucial is how many trains it takes (not relevant if you're driving, obvs). Our commute to Washington, DC is 2-3 hours each way, depending on the time of day. Oh, and my old commute had 17 traffic lights. It might be normal for some people, but that doesnt mean accepting it is your only option. Yeah, this is an interesting point. But Im absolutely gobsmacked to see 26 minutesthats far outside the norm for anyone Ive ever even been friends with in the US. I dont have any advice but you have my deepest sympathy. He also started work at the crack of ass, so he was home not long after we got home from school (and we had a SAHM.) Youre commuting about 20-24 hours a week! I dont mind it so much, because I can zone out while riding the subway and Im not dealing with the stress of driving into DC everyday. 2+ hour commutes are not OK for a lot of people and you sound like you are one of them. Speaking as a lifelong Bay Area resident, I would never say that 2 hours is *normal* for the Bay. While my to the office commute was short, I did travel alot and the drive to/from LAX was horrible. 30-45 on a good day. That said, commutes dont *have* to be that long even in this part of the country. My commute is probably 45 min door to door. Not a fan of long commutes, such a waste of life. It is what it is for each individual. Most people who work in Burbank cant afford to live here anymore houses in my neighborhood start at over $800k for 1100 square feet. If youre in Norwalk or somewhere similar, it might be possible to go to the nearest Amtrak/Metrolink station, park, and take the train the rest of the way. Former Calli girl here. When the commute impacts your quality of life its definitely time to think of solutions. I was in the same situation when I started my job, thankfully I can now work at home part of the time. I found a radio station with bible studies, so I listened to that. Of course you can always try to live closer to work, but the rental/real estate prices seemed to be much higher in areas that could shave off travel time. Self driving cars might be able to do it though. 2 to 2.5 hour commutes are long even by our standards, but not unheard of. Just wanted to make the distinction re: commute norms :). Think that commute is under an hour. I dont think I would ever consider more than 45 minutes for any job. I would be so thrilled if public transit was ever an option! My husband and I ended up moving to a more central location in our city so that we could be close to our current jobs and also so that if we ever switched jobs, we wouldnt have to deal with an unpredictable commute like we did before. They never listen. Mine is 40 45 minutes each way. My last commute was 1.5 hours average, 1.25 on a good day, 2.5 on a terrible day and I loved that job. I had a guest tell me, I drove from the Griffith Observatory to the Santa Monica pier and it took me an hour. I told him that hed been incredibly fortunate. My commute was on the east side of LA (Pomona to Pasadena), which meant it wasnt as bad, but if you were going to do Pasadena to Santa Monica, yeah, that could easily be two hours each way. If I take the bus, its an hour and takes two buses + one mile walk. not trying to say you should walk instead, just emphasizing how silly that time is!). Alisons absolutely right whats acceptable to you is what matters, not what your boyfriend considers acceptable. I live in southern MD and commute two counties north of me for workon amazing days (think unicorns farting rainbows rarity) its 45 minutes each way. You can sleep, you can bring a powerbank, you can hotspot your phone to your laptop, there are a lot of options. She also needs a supportive boyfriend who will help her problem solve, rather than dismiss her misery with its normal, everyone deals with it, get over it.. Although for what its worth, Im a CA native whos lived in both SF and LA (and is now a London resident another city for crazy commutes!) A two-hour commute twice a day five times a week is sacrificing a whopping 20 daylight hours of your week - time you will never be compensated or thanked for, nor can you ever replace it. At my last job, I had also had a ten minute commute on foot. Maybe some TV but I would be way to exhausted to make any enjoyable use of my evenings. 91 to 605 to 7th st. On a good day, 70 minutes one way is heaven. When I lived in Chicago, I commuted reverse from just south of downtown to a suburb out by the airport, and it was routinely 2 1/2 hours one way. OP, can you take the blue line into DTLA and then Uber/Rideshare into WeHo? Yep. Im sorry you dont have that. You literally picked the third worst commute in LA. Yes 30 miles is too far for a daily cycle commute. I had learned to drive in Phx, had gone to Cali plenty of times, but I could not handle an LA freeway. Its really relaxing and satisfying after a long day, but then again, Im a distance runner, and all of us distance runners are crazy. On weekdays, I have to deal with the traffic around the industrial complexes that have been built near where I work (and whoever planned the roads, *didnt* plan for the additional traffic!). Double-win! I would factor in both the time of the commute and the variability. Right now Im willing to make less money to work at a job with flexible hours (I work 7am-3/4pm) so I can avoid traffic. Also, a norm in your region doesnt mean you have to have that commute if you live in that region. An entire day! It just doesnt make sense for me to move closer to LA at all. People often get priced out of the living areas close to work. If its an option to exit, Id go for a longer way around just to keep from sitting it traffic for 2 hours. One thing that really helped me (which might not be possible in your situation) was that I was able to work out one work from home day a week. I also live in LB, and I previously commuted to Culver City/Marina del Rey. The narrators (as far as I can tell it is only two, but they have amazing range) are fabulous and the world Hearne has built is pretty intriguing. It would be unsustainable for a LOT of people. I have a ten minute commute. The previous owner of a place I do some IC work flew helicopters as a hobby and there was an old helipad behind the building. Riding the train during commuting hours seems much different than late at night or on the weekend. A commuter bus wasnt an option because I had to be the first person in the office each day. Sorry to say, if youre committed to staying in LA, very few commutes are going to be short. Its easier when LAUSD is on their various school breaks and also during the summer, but 2 hours to get 30 miles actually sounds normal and about right, depending on which freeways you have to take. With a handful of transitional weeks as the exception, Ive had anywhere from a 5-30 minute commute the entire time in LA. For anyone looking to move to LA for a job, you really, really have to think hard about where youll be living in relation to where this job is. This one doesn't sound like it is. OP, if you cant quit (or even if you can) I strongly advise you take steps to make your commute as nice and relaxing as possible! Public transit simply isnt accessible enough for most people and most jobs here (although its gotten easier, now that the Expo line is open and stretches to Santa Monica). A good rule-of-thumb for LA is every 10 miles will take roughly 30-45 minutes of travel time. Any reason. I was going to suggest you try driving to your parents once a week but that's not really possible at the moment. I moved northeast from my job in Fairfield county, CT and went from 20 mins each way to at least an hour, sometimes 90 mins. Dallas area 10 min commute here and the commute was a huge factor in our decision to buy in this area. Not only are all houses money pits, my executive function issues are too severe for me to deal with the major responsibility of it all. My own commute is 15 minutes and that includes a stop to get breakfast. But as another lifelong Bay Arean, I agree that 2-hour commutes in the central Bay Area are not common. This was a really hard habit for me to break, but my quality of life got so much better when I just shrugged and said It is what it is about traffic and commuting. Its only 12 miles but traffic is pretty bad in my area (and Im only able to do it in this time because I avoid the highway highway traffic could easily double the commute home on a bad day!) Theres a radio sketch show That Mitchell and Webb Sound, his autobiography Back Story and a radio panel show called The Unbelievable Truth. The Bay has faster commutes than SoCal, in part because theres more commuter rails and theres more carpooling and carpool incentives). Many people jump on the freeway to get home right after work and they get stuck in that congestion, but lots of people use the time to get drinks / go to a park / hang out with friends for an hour or two and then the freeway has cleared up significantly. You dont have to believe it, I guess, but its true. long in miles, loooong in traffic. Thats the primary reason why I left Seattle. Ha! Now my commute is 10-20 minutes, depending on the day and whether I hit the no traffic pocket or notfor some reason, if I leave at exactly 6:35, theres no traffic, so I just cruise, no traffic frustrations. He liked the job okay, but he ended up leaving just because he couldnt deal with the commute. I couldnt take it mentally OR physically. However, driving is typically stress free regardless of traffic or not. After living in a different part of Country California where my commute was 75-90 min each way, then New England where it was 25 min., I was not going to go back to a long commute. I dont think Ive ever worked anywhere more than a 20, 25 minute drive away and usually far less than that. I couldnt imagine having that kind of commute without public transit. My work allows me to flex my hours around my commute so that I never have to deal with rush hour. Its really all about what youre willing to trade for a shorter commute. My Monthly Commute Mileage: 660.00 miles Gallons of Fuel: 26.40 gallons Spent on Fuel: $ 52.54 Spent on Vehicle Maintenance: $ 48.18 Spent on Tires: $ 0.00 My Cost of Commuting: $600.72 / month ($7,208.64 / year) If you are a human seeing this field, please leave it empty. Id rather do cool stuff in my time off and take a pay cut. If I hit traffic at the wrong time, it could take me 1.5-2 hrs to make what was normally a 25-30 minute drive. The difference was really that my commute usually had just a quick moment of traffic right by my office (government office surrounded by lots of other government offices, with thousands of people all leaving at the same time), and his was about 20 miles closer, but stop and go the whole way! I find driving FAR more stressful than the trains, and would probably take a one-hour train ride where I feel like my time is my own over dealing with NJ drivers for 20 minutes. I definitely have one of the longer commutes in my office but there are a growing number of us who have it. for about a year i commuted an hour to work and i did get used to it but i wouldnt choose to go back to doing that. Their schedule typically works like this: You do need to try and be organised though and get a good nights sleep. My stomach and heart misses it so much. If youre having trouble visualizing this, check out the old Mythbusters episode where they tested it. Freeways and surface streets werent designed for the volume of vehicles on the road. I loved my one-hour, door-to-door commute when I took Metra (just under 1/2 mile walk from my house to metra and then a little more than 1/2 mile from Ogilvie to my office). Most coworkers drove but some, including myself, took the train. From my house to my work is only 10 miles, but it can easily take an hour by car in rush hour. I hope you find a great job that is closer. I live six miles from my work, and it takes me fifty-five minutes by public transit (when its working on time, etc) and about an hour and fifteen by car. Its like pulling teeth. LA was not, and became a big city as autos became something that everybody could afford. Sorry! Stay around the work area if it looks unbearable. We would move if it were over an hour. Its a 25-30 minute ride. This is a self-imposed problem. I would text my friend/workers a picture of myself sitting on my couch at 5:20, while they were still at the subway stop. So, Ive actually literally known people who have bought small planes and gotten pilots licenses to cut down a 2 hour commute in the ruralish west. Its short on the commuter rail which is really restrictive in terms of times. federal, and local laws. I used to live in Hollywood and Im on the freeway 3-4 hours daily. I dont think Id personally cope well with much over half an hour if I had to drive but I probably have a bit of bias that comes from living in a small UK city where lots of things are well within walking or cycling distance, or public transport, so my expectations of what I find doable in terms of committing is affected by what Ive become used to. I myself have had a 1.5 hour driving commute entirely within the NYC limits (Queens to the Bronx) because in NYC , its all very dependent on exactly where you live and work. How does things getting shittier in NYC make living in LA more tolerable? 12 miles to the park n ride and 23 miles on the commuter bus (employer pays for bus pass, so I dont have to pay for parking at work). When I moved recently I looked for an apartment in easy commuting distance. If you get off the freeways and drive through the city, youll just get stuck behind red lights, pedestrian traffic and buses. Its just a matter of life in a major metro area. Then we do try and do happy hours every month or so near work to catch up / avoid traffic home. There are many freeways and roads between the two and Ive tried every single one, and never gotten home in less than two hours. And thats weird because the city is only 77 square miles. Chicago suburbs, work just past the West Loop; my morning commute door-to-door (walk, Metra, work shuttle) is an hour. THAT SAID, that doesnt mean you have to live with it. my first job ever was 2 hrs each way and it bled my soul dry haha. Old job was against traffic, current one iskind of across it. Wicked smart, and saved a small fortune on rent! Doing that 2x or more a week was so frustrating. Since youre feeling like you dont have a life this might be an alternative for you, but its hard to make friends. By the time he left LA, he had only a 15-minute drive to work because hed arranged his life that way (so that his job and his apartment were close to each other). I love driving but I hate commuting. I like everybody else who ever had to work at Alternative Site commuted. I know its somewhat stupid but yeah. I live in LB too! Me too. We had to carpool (one care) and it was fine most of the time, but if something came up, the logistics got complicated. I used to have a 1.5 2hr commute (depending on rush hour) from a part of Northern VA into DC, so its definitely not just California. I beg to differ. Depending on where LW lives and works, its likely that there arent direct routes AND that even if there were, it could increase commuting time by an hour (easily). Prosecutors say Fratta organized the murder-for . I love LA and would give anything to move back, but it would only happen if I had a sustainable commute. This makes me so sad. Seemed like the south-east end of the Bay was especially bad since transit there is not so good unless youre north along the BART, and of course housing just gets more expensive that way. I moved out of state and ended up driving anywhere from 35 90 minutes one way to work, depending on traffic, what time I left, and if there was a fender bender on the one highway I could feasibly take to my job. Mercifully I did not have a highway commute, and you put together your little routes and tricks that make it more bearable for you. Im sorry. an electric bicycle might be faster & more fun? And it wouldnt be stupid even if you *hadnt* had that experience. I was in a nice suburban low-rise before, and I could park & be at my desk in about 30 seconds. Total nightmare, but they had to do it (for years) because they had a good job in an industry that would not have had something comparable with a really good commute. I think youd be shocked. . Its pretty common there too, especially as a lot of people live in New Jersey, Connecticut, Long Island, etc. Its not just the length of the drive; its also how stressful it is, and sitting in traffic is always stressful. When they were first married, my parents lived in LA. There are people commuting from Sacramento to San Franciscono kidding! Had I stayed and purchased a house, the ones in my price range were 1.5-2 hours away. Born and raised in LA agreed that its super normal. It usually takes 45 minutes each way with me coming in and leaving early. Also, it looks like the Blue Line will be temporarily shut down. For some years, I commuted from the SFV (San Fernando Valley) to the SGV. Mind you the highway is 4-7 lanes wide at any given time plus 3 feeder road lanes! I hate to sound like an ass about this but the train LB to DTLA goes through all the neighborhoods I dont really feel comfortable going through that early in the morning (Im 51 and look super young despite being 30) esp. I interviewed for a job in Boston, and they actually brought up the fact that the office was horribly located for public transit and gave me some ideas for neighborhoods that would be semi-affordable and not completely terrible to commute from. I used to live in a shabby little cinder block house in the desert that a friend of mine dubbed the Serial Killer Shack, but it was cheap AF, 5-6 minutes from a job I loved, and I had no visible neighbors. It will be easier in the long run. This thread is making me so grateful for my commute! I had a half hour train ride during which I would chill out / read a book / catch up on the internet because I would always get on the train when there were seats (and I would consider it 15 minutes well spent waiting for the next one if there were no seats). Some people have the stomach for long commutes and some dont. I have a good job at a good organization that Im not willing to leave, and trying to find work in a different state is a difficult endeavor. What is it that slows people down? I think 10 is about the limit. Montreal here. I live 15 miles from all directions from Boston. I live in North Hollywood and I have had jobs in both Brentwood and Venice, which was a 2 hour commute each way, and decided oh, NOT WORTH IT! and looks at rates of extremely long commutes (which they define as over 90 minutes or over 50 miles) in different regions of the country. The freeway systems are less well planned than LA/OC/SD and require many many more lane changes. If other people want to live like that, thats fine, but I did not. Its baffling to me, even coming from Boston where 93 is notoriously slow. I now live 9 miles from my work and my commute is 45 minutes. Ps. The average commute in the U.S. is 26 minutes, according to Census data. The longest commute Ive had was a 45 minute bike commute, and the second longest was a 25 minute metro commute that often turned in to a 45 minute one because of delays. miles. Eh. Sometimes I would take the commuter bus into downtown, then hop on the Expo line to work. I think the issue is that you dont have a friend circle yet. Honestly, the only person I knew who ever commute that far was an intern from a college town a couple hours away (and that shocked me that hed do that each day). Its not just the drive time, its the stress. My sympathies OP. I took public transit in LA too (I was 21-26 while I lived there; 30 now, and also look young), so I am 100% familiar with that commute (my friends lived in LB; I lived in Little Armenia). A typical day is an hour each way and terrible days (rain, accidents, ungodly traffic) is between 1.5 and 2 hours each way. Ive never lived in CA, so I cant speak to whether thats normal for the area, but that sounds miserable and not something you should accept. After graduating, it was 50-60 minutes from home to work. I did have a job with a two-hour each way commute once, but I only put up with it because one, no one else would hire me back then, two, it was temporary, and three, I didnt have too many reasons to hurry back home. It costs the community when you dont have the energy at the end of the day/week to get involved in groups or organizations that could have gained from your presence and contribution. But if I had to commute to West Hollywood (~ 6 miles), it could easily take 45-90 minutes. i dont do winter and dont do boring! This is totally normal for Los Angeles (Im a SoCal native who has lived here all my life). Now I live in a really small town. But sadly, its the norm for a lot of people in the metro areas. For reference that will easily take you from Tucson to Phoenix. I cannot stand commuting, especially by car. But man, 2 hours.. nope. In my lifetime, it may actually make sense to ban humans from driving due to computers driving much more safely and efficiently. Palo Alto to Berkeley during off-hours takes about 45 minutes. On weekends its only $10.00 for a metrolink day pass that gets me all the way there and back on metrolink trains and also the metro in Los Angeles. LA isnt great for that as far as Ive seen and I cant imagine drivers there being fantastic about sharing the road. Totally my own fault, I know. It doesnt seem impossible that theres 30 miles of road (point-A-to-point-B) between OPs home and workplace. Also consider LA County healthcare jobs closer to where you live Russian is considered a threshold language in the county, so there is a requirement to make written materials and services accessible to Russian-primary or Russian-only residents. I am NOT a commuter and the absolute max for me would be half hour. If I take a Lyft or drive I can get there in only half the time, but I dont currently have a car, so for now its bus/walk/occasionally bike. Walking to work is the best. MERCED? I agree with most people that having 1 hour of it be by train made it OK for the year I was doing it. When peaks are actually mesas, youre equally out of luck if your hours are 7 am to 4 pm, or 11 am to 7 pm. LA resident here, though Im a transplant from Chicago. Im very open about the fact that I will not consider a commute that long (whether its by car or PT) ever again. Best of luck in finding a solution! TL;DR: CA drivers measure distance in time/how many freeways you have to take to get there, not miles. That is going 11 miles. I think you need to try to find something more manageable and not feel bad about it. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area, about 28 miles outside of the citymy husband commutes via BART (the subway) everyday and it takes about 45 minutes if its running on time which it never isif he were drive, it would easily be 90 minutes one way with traffic if there were no major accidents/road closures. I imagine that in retail or food service, you are more likely to pick a job based on location, because theres not that many other differences between employers? The previous bad experience, it turns out, was based on two factors: 1. me not knowing about podcasts yet (for real, they are life- and sanity-savers) Im sure youve gotten all the advice you need by now, but just one more for you: Ive lived in So Cal my whole life and would never entertain a commute that long. But some of the people that worked with me commuted from freaking Fairfield! I think it displays a real lack of empathy, to be honest. My commute is 1 hour, but its on the bus so I get to spend the time as I like. Like I tended to pay much more for housing than folks that lived further out. So there are a lot of factors. Most of my friends live 25-30 miles north, so I see them on the weekends or evenings when I can do the drive sans traffic. 2 hours is sufficiently common to be considered normal in LA. Arrive at work at 8AM oof..s that I got about once a day for my first month. I drive 1.5 hours each way every day for work so 2 hours once a week would be great for me. In fact, note to OP, in NYC there are plenty of people who commute 2 hours because they have to in order to afford rent. That just seems crazy! ), and the JOB was miserable. But hands down the worst was the guy who commuted all the way from Tracy, nearly 50 miles away. I think this contributes to the OPs frustration and burnout, and Im glad to see shes taking steps (as she mentioned in a comment) to get a better situation for herself. I regret doing this to myself, so much. I am also a native Southern Californian, and while I wouldnt go so far as to say 2 hours is completely normal, it is not at *all* unusual. It can be fun and you get to bond with coworkers. My husband had a commute that often took an hour or more in the evenings. I feel like thats a pretty massive misconception. So all that said, Allisons advice is really the best. Try early morning (commute), lunch (work gaps) and late evening (couch scrolling) as these are typically when TikTok users use their phones. I hate the job but the commute is simply perfect. At this point, Im spending about 20% on housing costs. But I-15 in January . Both hubby and I had long commutes in our previous jobs, but within the last few years got jobs in new locations much closer to home with much better commutes. If that makes his commute longer, well, hes the one who thinks 2+ hours is no problem, so let him deal with it. And then there is the increased wear and tear on your car and the associated costs. That doesnt seem sustainable or realistic. He works, reads, or naps for the 4-4.5 hour round trip commute. Ill accept most tiny places but I need to be able to park and a guest will need to be able to park comfortably. If the commute turns out to be terrible, look into renting a room at someone's apartment or house (or even in a nearby extended day or hotel, if that's financially feasible). What kind of life is that? We plan on moving closer to my husbands work as soon as we hit the 2 year mark of owning our condo and can sell it without being taxed. Be unsustainable for a shorter commute 150+ comments and no one suggests using the Waze?... Humans from driving due to computers driving much more safely and efficiently Im SoCal. Given time plus 3 feeder road lanes and not feel bad about it notoriously slow commute had 17 lights. Happen if I take the commuter rail which is a 2 hour drive and I previously commuted to Culver del. 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